We've Got To Talk
Society & Culture
About
Our story begins in the halls of the University of Iowa, go Hawks! It was there that two seemingly different paths intersected and a friendship blossomed. Despite our different upbringings—Jolene in little Pleasantville, Iowa, and me, Nicole, just across the Golden Gate Bridge in the bustling Bay Area—we became fast friends. And here we are, almost 40 years later, living in a world that often seems intent on drawing lines in the sand and choosing sides. So why "We've Got To Talk"? Because we truly believe that in this deeply divided society, the power of conversation can unite us. Our goal isn't to change each other's opinions, but to listen with curiosity, kindness, and empathy. And yes, to have a good time while doing it! We invite you to join us on this journey and bring your friends along. We might not have all the answers or any of them—but we promise honesty, empathy, and a lot of heart. We hope our conversations give you a fresh outlook or at least entertain you as you go about your day.
Episodes
- “Us vs Them” Has Taken Over American Politics
This episode of We've Got To Talk discusses how the "Us vs Them" mentality has impacted American politics. It examines the challenges of open conversation and the role of social media in fostering this divisive environment.
- What is a Sanctuary City and how do they work?
This episode discusses what sanctuary cities are and how they work. It covers the historical context of the sanctuary movement, shifts in immigration policy, and the practical realities of local policing in these cities.
- Is AI Progress or Poison?
This episode of We've Got To Talk explores the widespread presence of AI in daily life and its potential societal impacts. The hosts discuss various aspects of AI, including emotional attachments, ethical considerations, global competition…
- Republican vs Democrat Views of Trump: What the Beyond MAGA Report Reveals
This episode explores the "Beyond MAGA" report, which categorizes Trump voters into distinct groups like MAGA Hardliners and Mainstream Republicans. It examines the factors shaping political identity within the Republican coalition, such a…
- This NYC Protest Shocked Us: “Death to America” and What It Means
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" explores the complexities of free speech, hate speech, and political extremism, prompted by a protest in Washington Square Park. The discussion delves into modern activism, public outrage, and how protes…
- Australia’s Under-16 Social Media Ban vs. US Bell-to-Bell Phone Bans in Schools
This episode discusses Australia's proposed ban on social media for children under 16 and "bell-to-bell" phone bans in US schools. It covers the rationale behind these policies, potential challenges, and their impact on children's developm…
- The Epstein Files and the elite with no accountability
This episode discusses the Epstein files, examining how power, privilege, and a network of enablers allowed exploitation to occur. It explores the broader implications of the case regarding accountability for the elite and the pursuit of j…
- Trump’s SAVE Act Explained: Election Integrity or Voter Suppression
This episode discusses Trump’s SAVE Act, examining whether it promotes election integrity or voter suppression. The hosts analyze the potential for new voting barriers, the impact on different communities, and the broader implications for…
- Iran Conflict: What Happens When "You Break It, You Buy It" Applies to War?
Nicole and Jolene discuss the Iran conflict, examining the terminology of "war" versus "conflict" and its implications. They also explore the strategic elements of modern warfare, the human cost, and the role of the media in understanding…
- The Death of Political Decorum: Pam Bondi, JD Vance, and Why We're All Exhausted
This episode of We've Got To Talk explores the decline of political decorum and the impact of media on political discourse. It discusses how congressional hearings can become theatrical and how figures like Pam Bondi and JD Vance contribut…
- Bridge Grades: The ‘Rotten Tomatoes’ Scorecard for Congress
This episode introduces Bridge Grades, a system that scores members of Congress on their collaborative or divisive behavior. The discussion covers how this system works, why it was created, and its potential to change political evaluation.
- The Last Republican Documentary: Our Review
Nicole and Jolene review "The Last Republican," a documentary focusing on Adam Kinzinger. They discuss the film's political themes and the importance of open conversation and accountability.
- Trump One Year Later: Reaction to Ezra Klein & Yuval Levin Conversation
This episode of We've Got To Talk discusses Ezra Klein's interview with Yuval Levin and explores questions surrounding Trump's presidency, examining the balance between executive actions and legislative achievements. The hosts analyze Trum…
- ICE Shooting in Minneapolis: Facts, Fear, and What We Owe Each Other
This episode of We've Got To Talk features hosts Nicole and Jolene discussing the ICE shooting in Minneapolis. They analyze the event, public reactions, and the broader implications for immigration. The conversation also touches on the com…
- Is America buying Greenland or not?
This episode discusses the idea of America buying Greenland, examining its geopolitical significance, Arctic security, and the US relationship with allies like Denmark. It explores how this seemingly satirical story relates to serious inte…
- U.S. Surrogacy and Birthright Citizenship: When Money Writes the Rules
This episode discusses U.S. surrogacy and birthright citizenship, examining the surrogacy industry, its regulations, and the implications of the 14th Amendment. It explores the financial, ethical, and legal challenges within this growing i…
- 2026 Is Already a Lot: Venezuela, ICE Shootings, Minnesota Fraud and Iran Uprising
This episode features Nicole and Jolene discussing significant 2026 headlines. Topics include the Trump administration's strategy in Venezuela, immigration issues such as ICE shootings and a Minnesota fraud scandal, and the uprising in Ira…
- Death and Dying: How Faith and Spirituality Shape Our Views on the Afterlife
This episode of We've Got To Talk explores death, dying, and various beliefs about the afterlife. The hosts share personal stories of loss, including suicide, and discuss how their different spiritual frameworks shape their understanding o…
- Reflecting on the year that was
Nicole and Jolene reflect on their podcast, "We've Got To Talk," discussing their experiences launching a podcast across the political divide. They share honest behind-the-scenes moments and favorite interviews from their first year.
- Christmas & Hanukkah: How We Celebrate the Holidays
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" features Jolene and Nicole discussing their experiences with Christmas and Hanukkah. They explore how they celebrate, the pressures of the holiday season, and the importance of the holiday spirit over ma…
- 5 Pet Peeves & 5 Things That Bring Us Joy
This episode of We've Got To Talk explores the hosts' pet peeves and things that bring them joy. They discuss the balance between daily irritations and small moments of happiness, touching on how both contribute to the human experience.
- Monica Guzman: Why Talking Politics With Family Isn't Just Okay - It's Essential
Monica Guzman, author of "I Never Thought of It That Way," joins "We've Got To Talk" to discuss the importance of engaging in political conversations with family. She offers strategies for fostering productive dialogue and understanding in…
- Working Full-Time But Still Poor: The 55 Million American Households We Need To Talk About
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" explores the challenges faced by 55 million American households where individuals work full-time yet remain in poverty. The discussion highlights the ALICE (Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed) d…
- Our Thanksgiving Traditions: How Food and Family Unite Us Across Political Lines
This episode of We've Got To Talk discusses Thanksgiving traditions and how to foster unity and understanding across political differences during holiday gatherings. The hosts share strategies for engaging in meaningful conversations throu…
- Prayer vs Meditation: Your Brain Can't Tell the Difference
This episode discusses the scientific similarities between prayer and meditation, highlighting how both practices can lead to similar brain experiences. It explores why these practices work and how they are more alike than different, encou…
- What Every Woman Needs to Know About Menopause and HRT
This episode discusses menopause and hormone replacement therapy (HRT). It addresses challenges women face in receiving appropriate medical care for menopausal symptoms and explores why HRT may be a beneficial treatment option.
- Gavin Newsom 2028: Can California's Governor Win a National Election? Liberal vs Conservative
This episode of We've Got To Talk discusses California Governor Gavin Newsom's potential 2028 presidential campaign. It explores his political strengths, strategies, and the challenges he might face in a national election given his record…
- Trump's White House Ballroom: Why Everyone's Fighting Over a Building Project
This episode of We've Got To Talk explores the debate surrounding President Trump's White House ballroom project. It covers different perspectives on the project's purpose, funding, and symbolism.
- Trump Gets Hostages Home: The Middle East Peace Deal We Weren't Expecting
President Trump facilitated the return of hostages and a ceasefire in the Middle East. This episode discusses these developments, acknowledging the significance of the actions.
- Government Shutdown 2025: Congress Gets Paid While Federal Workers Starve
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" discusses the 2025 government shutdown. The hosts express their frustration with the situation, highlighting the impact on federal workers compared to Congress.
- What IS the role of Government in America? Our personal takes
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" features Nicole and Jolene discussing the fundamental role of government in America. They explore what government should be doing and how much it should be involved in daily lives, finding common ground…
- Jimmy Kimmel Censored: Is Free Speech Dead in America?
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" discusses Jimmy Kimmel's censorship following his comments about Charlie Kirk. The hosts explore the implications for free speech and the role of comedy in a democratic society.
- Gun Control: When Both Sides Are Right (And Wrong)
This episode of We've Got To Talk discusses gun control. It aims to understand different viewpoints on this polarizing issue and complex issue in America.
- The Aftermath of the Assassination of Charlie Kirk
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" explores the reactions to Charlie Kirk's assassination, focusing on political and social media responses. The discussion addresses the state of American discourse and the impact of political violence.
- Why Americans are So Mean to Each Other
This episode of We've Got To Talk explores David Brooks' article "How America Got Mean" from The Atlantic. The hosts discuss the perceived increase in meanness among Americans and potential reasons and solutions.
- Trump, Putin, and Zelensky Meetings: What Really Happened Behind Closed Doors?
This episode discusses the meetings between Trump, Putin, and Zelensky. The hosts explore the significance of these meetings and their potential impact on international relations.
- What It's Really Like Being a Woman in 2025
This episode features discussions with women from various generations about their experiences in 2025, covering career ambitions, political identity, and the evolution of modern feminism. The conversations highlight perspectives on challen…
- Making Friends as Adults - special episode live from the Ozarks
This episode discusses the difficulties of making friends as an adult and the importance of intentionality in building and maintaining connections. The hosts reflect on their own friendships, highlighting how shared experiences and navigat…
- Climate Change: When Liberals and Conservatives Actually Agree
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" explores climate change discussions between a liberal and a conservative. They examine the science, solutions, and politics, searching for common ground on a topic often seen as divisive.
- We Swapped News Sources for 10 Days - Liberal vs Conservative Media
This episode features a liberal and a conservative who swapped their usual news sources for 10 days. They aimed to understand different perspectives by consuming media typically favored by the other side, including outlets like Fox News an…
- Epstein Files Conspiracy + Political Questions You're Afraid to Ask
In this episode of We've Got To Talk, Jolene and Nicole discuss questions about the Epstein files conspiracy, student loan forgiveness, and whether one can love America without being racist. These topics are presented as uncomfortable conv…
- Trump's Meme Coin Made Millions While You Got Played
This episode discusses a politician's meme coin venture and its financial implications, raising questions about wealth disparity and the ethics of public service. It examines how these events reflect deeper systemic issues and prompt a dis…
- Why Everything Is Political Now And How It's Breaking America
This episode discusses the pervasive politicization of American life, exploring how common activities have become political statements. It examines the societal impact of this division and discusses potential ways toFoster unity and soluti…
- What does Mamdani's Primary win say about the future of the Democratic party?
This episode of We've Got To Talk discusses Suraj Mamdani's primary win in NYC. The hosts examine whether expanding city services is radical, the weaponization of political labels, and why Democratic voters are choosing progressives.
- Big Food Is Poisoning America - And The Government Is Helping Them Do It
This episode discusses how the alliance between Big Food, Big Pharma, and politicians contributes to health issues in America, exploring topics like healthcare costs, food systems, and lobbying. It examines the impact of processed foods an…
- Army Parades vs. Anti-Government Protests: When Patriotism Gets Complicated
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" explores the themes of patriotism and democracy by discussing the Army's 250th-anniversary parade and the No Kings March. It examines how these two events, despite their differences, both represent aspec…
- We Got DESTROYED on TikTok- The Social Media Backlash Nobody Warned Us About
We've Got To Talk discusses social media backlash on TikTok. The hosts share their experiences with online criticism and the mental health aspects of engaging with social media platforms, including lessons learned and strategies for naviga…
- Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice: What Happens When Best Friends Disagree on Abortion
This episode explores the topic of abortion, focusing on a discussion between two friends with differing views on reproductive rights. The conversation aims to find common ground and understanding on this complex issue.
- Assumption vs Reality: How Democrats and Republicans Misunderstand Each Other
This episode of "We've Got To Talk" examines how Democrats and Republicans frequently misunderstand each other. It explores the consequences of these assumptions on political discourse, problem-solving, and relationships. It highlights the…
- First Kisses, Underage Sorority Parties and Our Deepest Fears
Nicole and Jolene discuss their personal experiences, including first kisses, childhood dreams, and fears. They also share stories about high school jobs and family recipes.