The Talk Show With John Gruber

432: ‘You and Frank Sinatra’, With Dan Moren

Dan Moren returns to the show. Topics include Atlas, ChatGPT's new web browser (or anti-web browser) for the Mac; Apple's loss in a "landmark" regulatory lawsuit in the UK regarding App Store commission rates; multiple reports of poor sales for the iPhone Air; and Apple's M5 product announcements: MacBook Pro, iPads Pro, and Vision Pro. Sponsored by: Squarespace : Save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code talkshow . Factor : Healthy eating, made easy. Get 50% off your first box, plus free breakfast for 1 year. Transcripts: Unofficial but surprisingly good . Links: Sleep++ , David Smith’s iOS sleep app that ties into Apple Health data, and gives what I think is a much more accurate and interesting “sleep score” than does Apple Health itself in iOS 26. ChatGPT Atlas: new Chromium browser for Mac: OpenAI’s announcement . Their promotion to get 7 days of higher ChatGPT usage if you make, and keep, Atlas as your default browser. Anil Dash: “ ChatGPT’s Atlas: The Browser That’s Anti-Web ”. Simon Willison’s initial thoughts . Michael Tsai’s roundup of links . Reuters: “ Apple Loses Landmark UK Lawsuit Over App Store Commissions ”. Multiple reports suggest the iPhone Air is not selling well . But it seems like Apple isn’t doing any advertising for the iPhone Air (or regular iPhone 17) at all — (yet?). Dan’s Six Colors coverage of the M5 speed bump updates from Apple: Base model 14-inch MacBook Pro . 11- and 13-inch iPads Pro . Vision Pro . Dan’s review of the new Dual Knit Band for Vision Pro (which is now the only band included by default with the M5 models). My piece on the M5 announcements . Dan’s previous appearance on The Talk Show , from October last year, talking about — déjà vu — new Mac hardware. “&udm=14” — AI-overview-free Google search, from Ernie Smith. Also: My DF post about it back in May . Dan’s personal website , with links to his science fiction novels and short stories . This episode of The Talk Show was edited by Caleb Sexton.

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