#185 | Why Governance Fails (And What It’s Really Meant to Do) with Ross Garland
What if governance isn’t slowing your projects down—but the very thing protecting them from failure? In this powerful episode, Fatimah is joined by Ross Garland, President of P3GQA and global expert in Project, Programme and Portfolio Governance (P3 governance), to unpack why so many delivery challenges have less to do with project management—and more to do with how organisations design governance. With over 25 years of experience across billions of dollars in global investments, Ross brings a grounded, no-nonsense perspective on what actually breaks when governance is treated as administration instead of investment protection. From unclear accountability to over-engineered committees, he shares why even strong teams can struggle when decision paths and ownership aren’t clearly defined. Together, they explore one of the most common—and costly—mistakes organisations make: treating complex initiatives as projects instead of programs. Ross explains how that single misstep impacts everything from board structure to benefits realisation, and why governance must be designed to support outcomes, not just activity. The conversation also dives into what “lean governance” really looks like, how to create accountability that empowers rather than blames, and why the business case should remain a living decision tool throughout delivery—not just something created upfront and forgotten. Finally, they tackle governance in agile environments—how to maintain oversight of investment decisions while adapting to faster, iterative delivery cycles without slowing teams down. If you’ve ever questioned whether your governance is helping or hindering delivery, this episode offers a clear, practical lens on how to get it right. To learn more about Ross’s work, explore P3 governance resources, or take the governance assessment: 👉 https://p3gqa.com Connect with Ross on LinkedIn: 👉 https://www.linkedin.com/in/rossgarland 🎧 Tune in, take notes, and rethink the role governance plays in driving real outcomes across your organisation. In this episode, I cover: 5:10 Ross’s Path into P3 Governance 9:11 Projects Programs Portfol Support the show Thank you for listening to Agile Ideas! If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with someone who might benefit from our discussions. Remember to rate us on your preferred podcast platform and follow us on social media for updates and more insightful content. Thank you for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, I'd really appreciate it if you could share it with your friends and rate us. Let's spread the #AgileIdeas together! We'd like to hear any feedback. www.agilemanagementoffice.com/contact Don't miss out on exclusive access to special events, checklists, and blogs that are not available everywhere. Subscribe to our newsletter now at www.agilemanagementoffice.com/subscribe. You can also find us on most social media channels by searching 'Agile Ideas'. Follow me, your host, on LinkedIn - go to Fatimah Abbouchi - www.linkedin.com/in/fatimahabbouchi/ For all things Agile Ideas and to stay connected, visit our website below. It's your one-stop destination for all our episodes, blogs, and more. We hope you found today's episode enlightening. Until next time, keep innovating and exploring new Agile Ideas! Learn more about podcast host Fatimah Abbouchi ...
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- project governance
- programme governance
- portfolio governance
- governance failures
- accountability in governance
- governance in agile environments
- business case development